12 Common Questions (FAQs) about PAGG

We’ve had a lot of questions coming from people who are interested in taking PAGG for fat loss. Though the answers are around the site, in comments, and some are in articles, we felt it was a good idea to bring them all together in one place, so it was easy to find answers to the questions you have. If you have a question that’s not covered here, please mention it in the comments below!

1. Do you have to take it?

The PAGG stack is recommended by Tim Ferriss in combination with the slow carb diet. Though I think some people are taking it separate to the slow carb diet, they work best together. This doesn’t mean you have to take it though. The basic principles of the slow carb diet are the foundation, and the option of taking PAGG is just like the option of taking ice baths three times a week, though I know what I’d rather do!

2. How does it work?

The ingredients in PAGG work together, and they all work on how the body stores fat, uses fat for energy, and depletes the fat cells as they are used up.

3. Before or after meals

This has been asked enough times that it’s obviously an important question. The answer here is – before meals. From what I’ve studied, the recommendation is between 15 and 30 minutes before a meal.

4. Why before meals?

The active ingredients in PAGG have a fast acting effect on the body, and for this reason, it is ideal to have them working when a meal is being digested, and it’s energy is coming in to the body.

5. Which day of the week to take off?

This answer is more of a reverse answer. The day that you don’t want to take off is your cheat day. Other than that, whatever works best for you. I generally take Wednesdays off.

6. Why take off one day a week?

The ingredients in the PAGG stack have a variety of effects on the body, and on fat storage and depletion. There are some changes that occur in the body due to this, and for this reason, it is advisable to give the body a break each week for things to reset.

7. Take PAGG all week or only cheat day?

Most people are taking PAGG all week, for a cycle of 7 weeks before taking a week off.

8. Why take a week off?

With the effects of PAGG changing a range of chemicals and systems in the body, much like a range of other supplements suggest cycling and having some time off regularly, Tim Ferriss recommends having 1 week off per 8 week cycle. This helps the body get back to normal, and helps the next cycle of PAGG continue working effectively.

9. Does it help with muscle gains?

We have had a couple of questions about whether PAGG helps with muscle building. The answer here is that it’s not specifically designed to help muscle gains. Generally, most people doing muscle building routines, like Occam’s Protocol and Geek to Freak, are taking other supplements like creatine, protein powder, and in some cases other supplements.

In the Geek to Freak chapter of the book, Tim mentions taking a couple of the ingredients found in PAGG. As I have been doing Occam’s Protocol workouts, I have been taking PAGG to test if it can limit fat gain as I gain muscle and bodyweight.

10. Why take an all in one tablet?

The prospect of keeping track of around 13 tablets every day wasn’t very appealing, and so we went looking elsewhere. We found a few different all in one tablets, and wanted to go with a capsule. We find it’s pretty easy even when we have busy schedules to take the capsules with us, and have them handy when we need them.

The other great thing is knowing it’s the exact dose that’s recommended in the book. It means not juggling various tablets and doses. Also, having just the one set of bottles shipped makes things a lot easier too rather than keeping track of different amounts in different bottles, and when to reorder.

11. What’s the cheapest option?

We’ve seen a couple of different options put together online, where people have found suppliers that have each ingredient for sale and they’ve put together a list of these products, to make it easy to order. For people who are wanting the cheapest PAGG, this is a great option. There’s a little bit of managing the bottles, as some don’t have the same number of tablets, which means some need to be ordered more often than others over a few months.

12. How are the results?

We’ve had a couple of commenters on our blog who’ve had great results while taking PAGG and eating slow carb food. In the book, Tim mentions quite a lot of test subjects he worked with to refine the dosages of the ingredients, to find what worked best.

In a recent test, I took a week off PAGG as I continued the Occam’s Protocol workouts, and Occam’s feeding regime (high calories), and found that while my muscle gain was around the same, I had some extra fat gain in this week. Of course, this could be due to unrelated factors, but I’m looking forward to getting back onto PAGG this week.

And that’s our list of PAGG FAQ’s. If you’re thinking about taking it, the banner on the right is the one we’re taking – and we do get a small commission if you buy through this banner. We always make that clear to anyone thinking of buying. We do recommend Pareto Nutrition’s PAGG as it’s the one we’re taking, and it’s the one we know has quality ingredients and ships fast. If you have any other questions, or comments, please write in the comments below!

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38 Responses to 12 Common Questions (FAQs) about PAGG

  • erin says:

    one thing to rememebr is if you are on any type of thyroid medication you should consult your dr. before trying the pagg…it’s my understanding the policolsinol (sp?) may be an issue….

  • Sue says:

    Great website, guys, and helpful Q&A on the PAGG stack.

  • Melinda says:

    I have found that I have heartburn when taking PAGG. Any thoughts? One of the bests parts about the slow-carb is that I’ve not dealt with the GERD problem I used to…It’s been frustrating to have it back with the PAGG.


    • Luke says:

      Hi Melinda,

      Sorry to hear you’re finding this. Most likely, your heartburn is caused by the Alpha Lipoic Acid, which can cause some reflux. Depending on the ALA you’re taking, this can be more or less pronounced. For example, the Pareto PAGG we take has R-ALA, which means they can effective half the dose, because it is twice as effective.
      My suggestion is to take the PAGG very close to eating time.. perhaps 5 mins before, or even with the first few bites. Hopefully that will help this problem.

      All the best,

  • Mikael says:


    Very good site!

    I have just started PAGG and am using the stack you are recommending. I have noticed that Pareto Nutrition has a different cycling guideline than Tim Ferriss and recommend “one week off every month”. Your thoughts about this? Which guideline do you follow?

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  • Flippo says:

    I can only find ALA and Garlic extract at our local stores? Is there still significant fat loss with only these two? Also the garlic extract available is 1250mg not the recommended 200mg. Is it dangerous?

    By the way, i already lost around 10Kg because of the slow carb diet but i still have like 15% body fat so i want to try now using supplements.

    NIce blog too!

    • Luke says:

      Hey, thanks for your comment, and congratulations on your progress!
      ALA and Garlic will help – they can help nutrient partitioning into muscle cells (not fat cells), and help empty fat cells of stored energy. Drink some green tea 2x a day if you can’t find the supplement, or consider ordering online from someone who sells the complete PAGG. That level of garlic won’t be dangerous, no.

      All the best,

  • Eva says:

    How do I know that PAGG Is healthy and not harmful. Does it speed up metabolism and heart rate?

    • Luke says:

      Hey Eva,

      Good question and thanks for your comment.

      PAGG does not work on metabolism, or heart rate like so many ‘diet pills’ out there. It’s not achieving its results through manipulating the rate at which you burn through the food you eat, which is what other pills try to do. It also does not artificially manipulate your digestive system, like other pills do.
      The combination of ingredients works together, to modify how the body metabolizes fat, stores fat and lets go of fat. These are all processes that go on for everybody, every day, however depending on genetics, some people have different levels, or ratios if you like, and PAGG aims to adjust how your body does all of the above, to swing the pendulum more in the direction of someone who stores more energy in muscle, not in fat.
      I understand your concern, but there’s definitely no stimulants in the product, nor are there diuretics, or laxatives.


      • alan says:

        hiya, i’m on the slow carb diet atm, great results. also done geek to freak and put on 1 1/2 stone of muscle. :D . however, a question im trying to get answered, which i saw you touched upon was, “can you take the pagg while on the geek to freak workouts?” congrats on the site also, its great.

        • Luke says:

          Hi Alan,

          Good on you! Good question too.

          With regards to taking PAGG while gaining muscle, there’s a couple of things which won’t be having much effect, but it doesn’t mean you can’t take PAGG. Tim took alpha lipoic acid during his geek to freak phase, along with chromemate. ALA is part of the PAGG, and as well as the ALA, he also took the ‘P’ – Policosanol. So, really you’re getting Green tea extract and garlic as extras, neither of which should curb your progress, as they affect fat cells. The ALA is likely to help more energy be diverted to muscle cells, which is a good thing for muscle growth.

          All the best!

  • ty says:

    How old should you be to use PAGG? Is it safe if you are 17? Can PAGG be used to go from a 12% to 8% ? – Thanks

    • Luke says:

      Hey Ty,

      At 17, you’re still growing, and may have some extra nutrient requirements. Look up some info on mutlivitamins, and mineral and vitamin requirements for when you’re growing – I can’t advise you one way or the other. Although slow carb is great to control bodyfat, it also limits insulin a lot, and insulin is required for muscle growth.

      PAGG can be a useful supplement to get bodyfat levels very low, but again, this needs to be considered vs the fact that your body is still wanting to grow, not just adjust what you have, which is what adults are focussed on doing.

      All the best,

  • Tiniwahine says:

    I don’t have the money to buy pAGG from gnu or online but I don’t want to wait too long to take it….what is a “grocery” list of the equivalent supplements to take that I can get from vons or walgreens?

    • Luke says:


      PAGG isn’t required to lose fat. Stick with the slow carb meals, and you should find good steady fat loss over weeks and months. PAGG has the same ingredients, whether they are purchased separately or all in one capsule together. Though the price may be lower with separates, then you need to do 4 times the research to ensure the quality of each supplement is good, otherwise you could be spending money on junk that doesn’t work.

      Focus on the healthy meals, and a bit of exericse, and you’ll get good results. If money’s low, hang on to what you have and focus on feeling healthier.

      All the best,

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  • Rob says:

    Hi, Can you take a multivitamin while taking PAGG? Thanks.

    • Luke says:

      Hi Rob, yes this is a great idea. A multivitamin is a great ‘insurance policy’ against being deficient in any vitamin or mineral.

      All the best,

  • david says:

    We are going to try the pagg stack you are using but because it is such a big budget item for us we are deciding between one month each or two. What is the experience for noticeable results over the diet and exercise we are currently doing. One month, two? Thanks

    • Luke says:

      Hey David,

      For PAGG results, I think one month is long enough, however it depends entirely on what your goals are. I would see one month of PAGG to be adequate if I was looking to lose 1 or 2% bodyweight in a month, with diligent slow carb meals, weights 2x a week and 2x interval training sessions per week too.

      Cheers and all the best,

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